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. >> well, you know, these relationships areim intertwined the civil rights movement and the, movement to free south africa. you know, they're parallel histories. many objective, freedom and equality. many don't know this because they associatete martin luther king primarily wir the civil rights movement, but when mandela was in prison, he went in '61-62, martin luther king spoke and described south african s racism as the worst i the world and he says even denying the blacks of basic right of non-violent protest. of course, everybody is mandela to gandhi and martin luther king, although neither of them was in favor of violence, but nelson mandela went to violence not to take over the country, but to get the white minority regime to listen to the demands of black people, but even as late, early in '64, martin luther king was calling for nelson mandela's release. in 1965, he spoke in london, and called for internal sanctions. he echoed that in the '80s and, of course you know, the free south african movement in which president obama spoke of being a part of as a young student was very m
. >> well, you know, these relationships areim intertwined the civil rights movement and the, movement to free south africa. you know, they're parallel histories. many objective, freedom and equality. many don't know this because they associatete martin luther king primarily wir the civil rights movement, but when mandela was in prison, he went in '61-62, martin luther king spoke and described south african s racism as the worst i the world and he says even denying the blacks of basic...
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what's been the interplay between our civil rights movemented and his struggle? >> well, the leadership, the commitment, the dedication, the ings prags of this one man meant everything to the american civil rights movement. i remember as a young student in 1962, '63 and '64, we said if nelson mandella can do it, we can do it. we identify with the struggle. when i met him for the first time, he said to me john lewis, i know all about you. i followed you. >> it was this unbelievable relationship between what was happening in america and what would happen in south africa. the struggle in birmingham is inseparable. trying to understand the importance of those decisions after sharkville, when they decided that nonviolence wasn't enough, they had committed to nonviolence in a way that you had been so committed tlot your life and they decided that they needed that response, as well. how international were those discussions? >> here in america and around the world, there was on going discussion about the way of peace, the way of love. the way of nonviolence. mr. mandella
what's been the interplay between our civil rights movemented and his struggle? >> well, the leadership, the commitment, the dedication, the ings prags of this one man meant everything to the american civil rights movement. i remember as a young student in 1962, '63 and '64, we said if nelson mandella can do it, we can do it. we identify with the struggle. when i met him for the first time, he said to me john lewis, i know all about you. i followed you. >> it was this unbelievable...
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mandela, a remarkable life dedicated his to fighting for civil rights in south africa. mandela lived long enough to see a multiracial democratic south africa. he called it the rainbow nation. the grief over his death crossed racial lines ha he devoted his to erasing. a young man at the age of 25, he
mandela, a remarkable life dedicated his to fighting for civil rights in south africa. mandela lived long enough to see a multiracial democratic south africa. he called it the rainbow nation. the grief over his death crossed racial lines ha he devoted his to erasing. a young man at the age of 25, he
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i think back to civil rights movement, ghandi with his principle of civil disobedience, that helped to give the movement life. so what is mandela's message? well, today we're hearing even very conservative senators and other figures talking about the spirit of forgiveness that he embody embodied in south africa. my question tonight, rev, is can we import that spirit of forgiveness and apply it to the hundreds of thousands of people incarcerated who for the rest of their lives, you know, will be stigmatized by this. could we figure out a way to forgive them, maybe expunge some of those records. with three strikes and you're out, you have some people who have been there for so many years -- >> you're saying can we find ways in our memorializing mandela to actualize it. >> that's the key. >> and james peterson, what can the president be influenced by nelson mandela mean for us as a nation and us politicly? >> i love all the stuff you've been saying about nelson mandela and i love what jonathan alter just said. and i hope people can hear that, because if you want to really talk about how t
i think back to civil rights movement, ghandi with his principle of civil disobedience, that helped to give the movement life. so what is mandela's message? well, today we're hearing even very conservative senators and other figures talking about the spirit of forgiveness that he embody embodied in south africa. my question tonight, rev, is can we import that spirit of forgiveness and apply it to the hundreds of thousands of people incarcerated who for the rest of their lives, you know, will be...
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. >> the civil rights movement, where people's rights were being violated. in south africa, there was no constitution and there were no rights. so apartheid was really a labor system, a way of controlling black workers to the benefit of the people who owned the mines and the resources of that country. and so the whole system regulated people's lives, almost in every dimension, where they could live, where they could work, and they couldn't violate those rules. they couldn't be in the city after dark. they couldn't, you know, work in certain areas. it was a tightly regulated, really a fascist, to use a word that we don't use much anymore. it's that kind of a white nationalist regime. >> i mean, there were -- and we should just say, there were secret police. during nelson mandela's imprisonment, it was illegal to have a picture of him, right? these are -- >> it's all true, chris. >> it couldn't put it in a newspaper. they couldn't put his face or name in a newspaper. >> a lot of us forget that the united states government and many western governments supported
. >> the civil rights movement, where people's rights were being violated. in south africa, there was no constitution and there were no rights. so apartheid was really a labor system, a way of controlling black workers to the benefit of the people who owned the mines and the resources of that country. and so the whole system regulated people's lives, almost in every dimension, where they could live, where they could work, and they couldn't violate those rules. they couldn't be in the city...
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what's been the interplay between our civil rights movement and his struggle? >> the commitment, the dedication, the inspiration of this one man meant everything to the american civil rights movement. i remember it as a young student in nashville in 1962 and '63 and '64. we said if nelson mandela can do it, we can do it. we identify with the struggle. and when i met him for the first time, he said to me, john lewis, i noknow all about you. i follow you. you inspire us. i said no, mr. mandela, you inspire us. so there was this unbelievable relationship between what was happening in america and what would happen in south africa. we would say from time to time the struggle in birmingham, the struggle in selma is inaccept raable from the struggle in sharpville. >> one of the reasons i wanted to talk to you today congressman was reading about and thinking about and trying to understand the importance of those decisions made by mandela and other apartheid leaders after sharpville, when they decided non-violence was not enough, they have been so committed to nonviolen
what's been the interplay between our civil rights movement and his struggle? >> the commitment, the dedication, the inspiration of this one man meant everything to the american civil rights movement. i remember it as a young student in nashville in 1962 and '63 and '64. we said if nelson mandela can do it, we can do it. we identify with the struggle. and when i met him for the first time, he said to me, john lewis, i noknow all about you. i follow you. you inspire us. i said no, mr....
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mandela, a remarkable life dedicated his to fighting for civil rights in south africa. mandela lived long enough to see a multiracial democratic south africa. he called it the rainbow nation. the grief over his death crossed racial lines ha he devoted his to erasing. a young man at the age of 25, he joined the african national congress in 1956. mandela was arrested with 155 other political activists and was changed with high treason. the treason trial lasted 4 1/2 years. the charges against him were ultimately dropped. mandela used a false identity to evade the government and traveled to europe and other countries in africa to built support for the anc and study guerilla warfare. when he returned to south africa in 1962, mandela was arrested and sentenced to years in prison. during his sentence, the government charmed mandela and other anc leaders with sabotage and attempting to violently overthrow the government. the winner of 1964, mandela and his colleagues were sentenced to in prison. mandela's brutal imprisonment helped win freedom for his nation. he represented hi
mandela, a remarkable life dedicated his to fighting for civil rights in south africa. mandela lived long enough to see a multiracial democratic south africa. he called it the rainbow nation. the grief over his death crossed racial lines ha he devoted his to erasing. a young man at the age of 25, he joined the african national congress in 1956. mandela was arrested with 155 other political activists and was changed with high treason. the treason trial lasted 4 1/2 years. the charges against him...
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meeting with world leaders and his civil rights hero. >> so help me god. >> reporter: as promised, he stepped down as president of south africa after serving just one term. >> south africa has been a despotic state through almost the whole of the 20th century. mandela's legacy stands against it. that is one of the best and most optimistic qualities that he hands to the people of south africa. >> reporter: by all accounts, the measure of this man can be taken by what he wants to be remembered for. here lies nelson mandela said, a man whos has done his duty on earth. >> keith miller reporting. joining us the council on foreign relations richard haas. we talk a lot in vague terms how iconic and important he was. can you somehow crystallize it from a global perspective, his impact? >> just imagine if nelson mandela had been a different kind of person and south africa had gone into a bloody race war in which apartheid didn't end peacefully, but instead, had been a violent transition in which hundreds of thousands of people had died simply because of race. imagine what that would have meant
meeting with world leaders and his civil rights hero. >> so help me god. >> reporter: as promised, he stepped down as president of south africa after serving just one term. >> south africa has been a despotic state through almost the whole of the 20th century. mandela's legacy stands against it. that is one of the best and most optimistic qualities that he hands to the people of south africa. >> reporter: by all accounts, the measure of this man can be taken by what he...
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you were front and center as part of that movement, the civil rights movement here. you had that experience also in talking to him, the cross-fertilization of these freedom movements. >> yes, i think they fed off of each other. i think while the united states civil rights movement came of age and its victory much earlier than the apartheid struggle, they were very much alike. i think that's what enabled me, i think, to have the success to the extent i did to have it. i didn't go as a journalist going in an objective way, i was informed by the experiences we had in the south and in the united states. so when i got there, i understand. there were significant differences. in south africa the majority were the black people and they had been suppressed by a minority, unlike in the united states. still the struggles were similar. i think each learned from the other. the african national congress, almost as old as the naacp, many of the things they adopted came from our struggle and we learned from them. so i can understand what john was saying. certainly for south african
you were front and center as part of that movement, the civil rights movement here. you had that experience also in talking to him, the cross-fertilization of these freedom movements. >> yes, i think they fed off of each other. i think while the united states civil rights movement came of age and its victory much earlier than the apartheid struggle, they were very much alike. i think that's what enabled me, i think, to have the success to the extent i did to have it. i didn't go as a...
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you had the inverse in the civil rights movement. you had a native african population that was seven times larger than the ruling class that essentially turned them and enslaved them in their own country. they were made a third-class citizen, a noncitizen, a nonperson within a land that they called their ancestoral home and they tried to fight apartheid and oppression in certain ways, sometimes through revolutionary struggle, violent struggle. they would try nonviolence and they would be met with incredible, intense violence. the amount of violence that it took to suppress this large african population was incredible. so what mandela for gave is something that is almost indescribable for most people and i think for a lot of african-americans, this was the struggle for a lot of campuses that came after the generation of vietnam. so you have the civil rights struggle, which was the 1960s, the big young people's revolution. then you had the fight against vietnam. but for a lot of people, particularly in the 1980s, it was this. it was th
you had the inverse in the civil rights movement. you had a native african population that was seven times larger than the ruling class that essentially turned them and enslaved them in their own country. they were made a third-class citizen, a noncitizen, a nonperson within a land that they called their ancestoral home and they tried to fight apartheid and oppression in certain ways, sometimes through revolutionary struggle, violent struggle. they would try nonviolence and they would be met...
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what happened in this country was our civil rights movement became integrated, he was sentenced in '62. that was just right after the freedom rides. it was just before we went into birmingham. and while we were in birmingham, i think somewhere around there the sharpville killings occurred. and so our movements moved in parallel. i first went with arthur ash in 1974. and when we came back, we came back determined that i was in the congress then. that we were going to start the process of sanctions. it was interesting to me that we couldn't get a lot of middle ground democrats to lead. we got the black caucus but i had to get actually newt gingrich and former secretary -- oh, i'm having a senior moment. >> that's okay. >> two republicans that first came on the list. and then we got this. then it was voted and then it was vetoed and then a movement started but all of the time there was some also movement going in africa, led largely by nigeria and tanzania, putting pressure on the commonwealth. this didn't happen just because nelson mandela became a saint in prison. it happened because of
what happened in this country was our civil rights movement became integrated, he was sentenced in '62. that was just right after the freedom rides. it was just before we went into birmingham. and while we were in birmingham, i think somewhere around there the sharpville killings occurred. and so our movements moved in parallel. i first went with arthur ash in 1974. and when we came back, we came back determined that i was in the congress then. that we were going to start the process of...
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i mean, you had in south africa sort of the inverse of what you had in the american civil rights movement. you had a native african population that was seven times larger than the ruling class that essentially turned them and enslaved them in their own country. they were need not even a second, a third class citizen, a non-person within a land that they called their anses tral home. and the national african congress and nelson mandela tried to fight this oppression in various ways. sometimes through violent struggle. they would try non-violence. they were met with incredible violence. it was intense and incredible. so what mandela forgave is something that is almost indescribable for many. this is what came after the generation of vietnam. then you had the fight against vietnam. but for a lot of people, particularly in the 1980s, it was this. it was the fight against apartheid in south africa that galvanized a lot of african-americans. >> i asked the last word staff today for a show of hands of how many personally remember apartheid and very few hands went up. i was at your class at colum
i mean, you had in south africa sort of the inverse of what you had in the american civil rights movement. you had a native african population that was seven times larger than the ruling class that essentially turned them and enslaved them in their own country. they were need not even a second, a third class citizen, a non-person within a land that they called their anses tral home. and the national african congress and nelson mandela tried to fight this oppression in various ways. sometimes...
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my guest, tom brokaw, civil rights leader reverend jesse jackson. and harry smith talks to poet maya angelou as she mourns a good friend. >> and that's what he brought, was deliverance and ignorance. >> i'll have all that ahead on "meet the press," sunday, december 8. >>> the world's longest running television program, this is "meet the press." >>> and good sunday morning. it is a day of prayer and reflection in south africa as the nation mourns its former president, nelson mandela. flags are also at half staff at the white house this morning. president obama and the first lady will be going to south africa on tuesday. and former presidents jimmy carter and bill clinton will also be going to south africa this week. nelson mandela will be laid to rest this week. charlene hunter-gault who worked for npr during nelson mandela's presidency, and from new york, special correspondent tom brokaw. here is tom back in 1990 interviewing nelson mandela after he was released from prison. it's a great photo. the reverend jesse jackson is here, one of the first pe
my guest, tom brokaw, civil rights leader reverend jesse jackson. and harry smith talks to poet maya angelou as she mourns a good friend. >> and that's what he brought, was deliverance and ignorance. >> i'll have all that ahead on "meet the press," sunday, december 8. >>> the world's longest running television program, this is "meet the press." >>> and good sunday morning. it is a day of prayer and reflection in south africa as the nation mourns...
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. >> would you have voted for the civil rights act of 1964? >> i like the civil rights act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains, and i'm all in favor of that. >> but? [ laughter ] >> you had to ask me the but. i don't like the idea of telling private business owners. i abhor racism, i think it's a bad business decision to exclude anyone from your restaurant, but i believe in private ownership. >> rand paul followed up with this cringe-inducing interview -- >> do you think a private business has a right to say we don't serve black people? >> yeah, i'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form, but i think what's important about this debate is not getting into any specific gotcha on this, but asking the question, what about freedom of speech? should we limit speech from people we find abhorrent? should we limit racists from speaking? i don't want to be associated with those people, but i also don't want to limit their speech in any way. >> yes, it appears the gop has chosen that rand paul as the party's ambassador
. >> would you have voted for the civil rights act of 1964? >> i like the civil rights act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains, and i'm all in favor of that. >> but? [ laughter ] >> you had to ask me the but. i don't like the idea of telling private business owners. i abhor racism, i think it's a bad business decision to exclude anyone from your restaurant, but i believe in private ownership. >> rand paul followed up with this...
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rights movement the anti-apartheid movement was our opportunity to participate in that way. >> that's so true. we have to leave it there. congresswoman, safe travels. april, thank you for being with me. >> thank you. >>> when question come back, why is it acceptable for a 23-year-old offered $3 billion for an app but $3 billion seems like too much to keep a promise to workers who earned it? workers in an american city. that's coming up. turn to roc® retinol correxion®. one week, fine lines appear to fade. one month, deep wrinkles look smoother. after one year, skin looks ageless. high performance skincare™ only from roc®. take skincare to the next level with new roc® multi correxion® 5 in 1, proven to hydrate dryness, illuminate dullness, lift sagging, diminish the look of dark spots, and smooth the appearance of wrinkles. high performance skincare™ only from roc®. yes. cup your hands together for me. rub it all the way up your hands. any exposed skin. and get the backs of your hands too. put some just around your neck. [ bell rings ] you're good to go. okay great thanks, he
rights movement the anti-apartheid movement was our opportunity to participate in that way. >> that's so true. we have to leave it there. congresswoman, safe travels. april, thank you for being with me. >> thank you. >>> when question come back, why is it acceptable for a 23-year-old offered $3 billion for an app but $3 billion seems like too much to keep a promise to workers who earned it? workers in an american city. that's coming up. turn to roc® retinol correxion®....
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rights movement in the south. he said oh, do you know maya angelou? she meant so much to me, reading her in prison. you were in his heart and mind all those years. >> he told charlene gault that people had been slipping my books into him all the years. i spoke with one journalist who said, can you imagine being in the hell hole of a south african prison reading the caged bird. >> this means so much to us. i know you've been through a lot in the last days. we just want to say thank you for recollections, thank you for your poetry, and thank you for being with us today. >> thank you miss mitchell. i admire. i watch you with great gratitude and appreciation. >> that is an enormous honor. >> that you very much for your own gentleness. you report on some hellish situations around the world but i never hear the hell in your voice. thank you. >> thank you for that. very much so. >> thank you. >> good-bye to you. coming up next, nelson mandela's leadership, his legacy. but first "nbc nightly news" anchor brian williams sa
rights movement in the south. he said oh, do you know maya angelou? she meant so much to me, reading her in prison. you were in his heart and mind all those years. >> he told charlene gault that people had been slipping my books into him all the years. i spoke with one journalist who said, can you imagine being in the hell hole of a south african prison reading the caged bird. >> this means so much to us. i know you've been through a lot in the last days. we just want to say thank...
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he never saw himself -- i think particularly in america, so much of the american civil rights movement was reminding african-americans and still is, reminding young children of color, you are equal, you do deserve the exact same things. i think that made a huge difference. >> i think part of that was if you understand he was born in royalty. he was born to a certain manner. his self-concept, he that naturally and he never lost it. because he didn't have that insecurity, he didn't need all that to become a leader. his vanity never outran his sanity. >> talking about the legacy of nelson mandela, we're talking about how those qualities of grace, dignity, humility have been inherited or visited on later generations. i want to play an excerpt from your interview with the president last night where he himself takes a remarkably humble posture as far as being commander in chief, president of the united states. lets take a listen to that. >> the interesting thing about now having been president for five years. it makes you humbler as opposed to cockier as to what you as an individual can do.
he never saw himself -- i think particularly in america, so much of the american civil rights movement was reminding african-americans and still is, reminding young children of color, you are equal, you do deserve the exact same things. i think that made a huge difference. >> i think part of that was if you understand he was born in royalty. he was born to a certain manner. his self-concept, he that naturally and he never lost it. because he didn't have that insecurity, he didn't need all...
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my guests, tom brokaw, civil rights leader reverend jesse jackson. and harry smith talks to poet maya angelou as she mourns a good friend. >> and that's what he brought, was deliverance and ignorance. >> i'll have all that ahead on "meet the press," sunday, december 8. >>> the world's longest running television program, this is "meet the press." >>> and good sunday morning. it is a day of prayer and reflection in south africa as the nation mourns its former president, nelson mandela. flags are also at half staff at the white house this morning. president obama and the first lady will be going to south africa on tuesday. and former presidents jimmy carter and bill clinton will also be going to south africa this week. nelson mandela will be laid to rest this week. joining me charlene hunter-gault who worked for npr during nelson mandela's presidency, and from new york, special correspondent tom brokaw. here is tom back in 1990 interviewing nelson mandela after he was released from prison. it's a great photo. the reverend jesse jackson is here, one of t
my guests, tom brokaw, civil rights leader reverend jesse jackson. and harry smith talks to poet maya angelou as she mourns a good friend. >> and that's what he brought, was deliverance and ignorance. >> i'll have all that ahead on "meet the press," sunday, december 8. >>> the world's longest running television program, this is "meet the press." >>> and good sunday morning. it is a day of prayer and reflection in south africa as the nation...
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this was after the major civil rights movement and after the vietnam war movement, college campuses in the 80s erupted over the apartheid movement. the administration of ronald reagan finally was the first veto override on foreign policy. it was rejected and taken over as jim baker said on "morning joe." taken over by congress. >> why do you think the world was slow when it came to dealing with south africa? >> i have to say that we in the media are partly to blame. we didn't focus that much on what was going on in south africa. until it just became impossible to ignore. when i went the first time in 1985, it was actually the first time that we focused on the people of south africa. both the black and the white and what the human beings of the country were thinking. why the white people thought they were superior to the blacks and did they ever see an end to that thinking? how the blacks were struggling on every level, not just in the streets, but offices where many of them worked. it was initially focusing on the overall idea of those who are fighting against oppression and those who
this was after the major civil rights movement and after the vietnam war movement, college campuses in the 80s erupted over the apartheid movement. the administration of ronald reagan finally was the first veto override on foreign policy. it was rejected and taken over as jim baker said on "morning joe." taken over by congress. >> why do you think the world was slow when it came to dealing with south africa? >> i have to say that we in the media are partly to blame. we...
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although he did relax a little bit when i told him about my experience in the civil rights movement, but it brought to mind for him maya angelou, do you know her? talked about how he had -- they had read her work in prison. but then, as i watched him over the years as he spent more and more time in the outside world, he became a little more relaxed and talked more and more about what it was like in prison. and talk more and more about his own vision. he was always a very humble man. he never really -- although he was the leader, he never took credit. for example, when i asked him at a day back in his yard a few days after prison, when everybody thought he was going to be president, do you foresee a time when you will become president of this country? he said, well, you know, that's up to my -- i'm a loyal member of the african national congress and whatever they decide. behind the scene i understand he could rule with a kind of iron hand when necessary. but the face -- his face to the public was always of a genial giant. >> way he comported himself and humility is very genuine descri
although he did relax a little bit when i told him about my experience in the civil rights movement, but it brought to mind for him maya angelou, do you know her? talked about how he had -- they had read her work in prison. but then, as i watched him over the years as he spent more and more time in the outside world, he became a little more relaxed and talked more and more about what it was like in prison. and talk more and more about his own vision. he was always a very humble man. he never...
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. >>> today we're remembering a pivotal moment in civil rights history that happened on this day 60 years ago. the landmark brown versus the board of education decision of 1954 declared that separate public schools for black and white students were unconstitutional. an important part of that decision was the one that applied to washington, d.c. and six decades ago today two lawyers argued the washington, d.c. portion of the case. their argument, school segregation was a violation of liberty. the decision would have a direct impact on the first high school in the country, dunbar high school in washington, d.c. opened in 1870 and despite being segregated, it developed ground breaker after ground breaker. including george hayes. one of the lawyers who argued the case. and charles hamilton houston, the lawyer known as the man who killed jim crow. this year a great book chronicles the school in "first class: the legacy of dunbar, america's first black public high school." joining me now is the author allison stewart. allison, thanks for being here. >> i am thrilled to be here. >> let's start 6
. >>> today we're remembering a pivotal moment in civil rights history that happened on this day 60 years ago. the landmark brown versus the board of education decision of 1954 declared that separate public schools for black and white students were unconstitutional. an important part of that decision was the one that applied to washington, d.c. and six decades ago today two lawyers argued the washington, d.c. portion of the case. their argument, school segregation was a violation of...
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rights act, the guy who hired the masked confederate southern avenger guy as his staffer and to cowrite his book. it would be hard to imagine a worse person to choose in 2013 to roll out the welcome mat to black voters. but if you do, choose that guy to try to attract black voters. this is apparently what you get for turnout. that is true. okay. next up, true or false. although president obama wants to close guantanamo and put the prisoners there on trial or send them home, congress is blocking that from happening. is that true or is that false? false, kind of. at least as of tomorrow, it is probably false. ever since president obama announced his plans to close guantanamo, congress really has been blocking him from sending prisoners to their home countries or transferring them to the real court system. you'll recall that in the '08 campaign, it was barack obama who said he would close guantanamo, running against john mccain, who said he would close guantanamo, both vying to replace president george w. bush, who also said we should close guantanamo. this did not used to be a controversi
rights act, the guy who hired the masked confederate southern avenger guy as his staffer and to cowrite his book. it would be hard to imagine a worse person to choose in 2013 to roll out the welcome mat to black voters. but if you do, choose that guy to try to attract black voters. this is apparently what you get for turnout. that is true. okay. next up, true or false. although president obama wants to close guantanamo and put the prisoners there on trial or send them home, congress is blocking...
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i mean, i've been in the civil rights fight for the last several decades. and i remember the beginnings of the fight against apartheid here. robinson and gray and others who were castigated and attacked for that. and they were able to turn public opinion around. having to fight people like dick cheney and others who are now with these great eulogies on nelson mandela. >> that's right. i think people forget that. when people like you and mary francis berry were in the beginning of that fight, it was demonized and you were attacked for that. and it was not a popular position. and so i think there's a lot about the history that people. he oversimplifies everything. so does rush limbaugh. they don't care about what the facts are. that is here is a man who stood for justice, stood for freedom, stood for equality. we have a president who seems to -- i'm not saying he is nelson mandela, but he seems to be trying to accomplish some of the same things. >> karen finney, well, he's getting called some of the same names. thank you for your time tonight. be sure to watc
i mean, i've been in the civil rights fight for the last several decades. and i remember the beginnings of the fight against apartheid here. robinson and gray and others who were castigated and attacked for that. and they were able to turn public opinion around. having to fight people like dick cheney and others who are now with these great eulogies on nelson mandela. >> that's right. i think people forget that. when people like you and mary francis berry were in the beginning of that...
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the slain civil rights leader closely watched what was going on in africa and inspired by him. joining me now the son of martin luther king, jr. it's great to have you with me, sir. your mom and your sister bernice, they all traveled with you as you attended the inauguration of mandela. tell us what it was like, that kind of impact that was had on you and your family in 1994 and what that meant knowing the history you were coming from here in america. >> first, i would say thank you for the opportunity. as we mourn this loss for our world. but i remember in 1986 actually protesting at the south african embassy along with my mother and sister where we were arrested. of course, in 1994 going to south africa twice, on two occasions, one during the electoral process and, of course, for the inauguration, which was, of course, a celebration, which was really, in a sense, earth shattering to see the first african head of state of that wonderful country who really taught us about the power of forgiveness. that is what i believe president mandela represented. that is what the legacy wil
the slain civil rights leader closely watched what was going on in africa and inspired by him. joining me now the son of martin luther king, jr. it's great to have you with me, sir. your mom and your sister bernice, they all traveled with you as you attended the inauguration of mandela. tell us what it was like, that kind of impact that was had on you and your family in 1994 and what that meant knowing the history you were coming from here in america. >> first, i would say thank you for...
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and somehow the movement here, the civil rights movement in our country deserves much credit for the change we now see in america, and in south africa. >> well, and reverend, to that point, that's why it is so interesting -- i think, and potentially enlightening, to see some of the political debate playing out more among republicans. but take a listen to more from former speaker newt gingrich, in doing what rick hertzburg was doing, embracing as a founding father in politics, one of the best things you could say about someone. take a listen. >> posted my statement on her facebook page and was amazed at some of the intensity, some of whom came back three and four and five times, repeating how angry they were. so i wrote my newsletter on friday, basically entitled it, "what would you have done." >> and he goes on to talk about what the legacy of mandela is being a revolutionary and freedom fighter and also a patriot. how do you looking at this now, national/international conversation, how do you think we're doing in remembering our history accurately with apartheid as a foreign policy
and somehow the movement here, the civil rights movement in our country deserves much credit for the change we now see in america, and in south africa. >> well, and reverend, to that point, that's why it is so interesting -- i think, and potentially enlightening, to see some of the political debate playing out more among republicans. but take a listen to more from former speaker newt gingrich, in doing what rick hertzburg was doing, embracing as a founding father in politics, one of the...
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. >>> joining me now, civil rights leader and president of the rainbow push coalition, reverend jesse jackson. awfully glad to speak with you. you listened to president clinton. do you agree he belongs in the statues of history with gandhi, martin luther king jr. if not maybe at the top of the list? >> external persecution and the wil will, dignity. they were driven by their suffering. you define them by what they did with the pain. that is to say when mr. mandela chose to use his pain for transformation. to use his pain for reconciliation, revenge or retaliation it took him to different level. >> what was it like to be in the same room as he was. oftentimes there are leaders -- and i will say this is applied to you as well. there are some people you think they take up all the energy because there's something about them. he must have had that as well. >> well, he did have a personal magnetism. i remember the first sunday he came out of jail in cape town at south africa at city hall. he walked in the room. having been in jail for 27 years, so aware and so alert. we embraced. he recogni
. >>> joining me now, civil rights leader and president of the rainbow push coalition, reverend jesse jackson. awfully glad to speak with you. you listened to president clinton. do you agree he belongs in the statues of history with gandhi, martin luther king jr. if not maybe at the top of the list? >> external persecution and the wil will, dignity. they were driven by their suffering. you define them by what they did with the pain. that is to say when mr. mandela chose to use...
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that 2010 comment about civil rights and sort of the howard debacle, i mean, those kinds of things in this environment for someone like rand paul to still emerge as the voice to talk about african-american engagement shows you exactly where the republican party is right now. >> that's what's so remarkable! i genuinely think it is the case -- and obviously, there is an african-american senator, republican scott of south carolina, who is the one african-american member of the united states senate and of all congress, if i'm not mistaken. you know, he, presumably, would also be a key messenger in this respect. but it is true that rand paul, for all his history, actually is the best spokesperson on this. and my question to you is, does it read as a good-faith engagement or does it read as a stunt? because i basically go back and forth. >> well, i mean, i'm reading it more as more of a stunt. i mean, because the policies have got to change. >> right. >> again, mass incarceration, a really important issue, but you know, rand paul's trying to sell economic freedom zones in detroit, which you
that 2010 comment about civil rights and sort of the howard debacle, i mean, those kinds of things in this environment for someone like rand paul to still emerge as the voice to talk about african-american engagement shows you exactly where the republican party is right now. >> that's what's so remarkable! i genuinely think it is the case -- and obviously, there is an african-american senator, republican scott of south carolina, who is the one african-american member of the united states...
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rights and corruption violations. their arrests stem from a two-year federal probe into alleged corruption within the largest jail system. four grand jury indictments and criminal complaint allege that the deputies among other things beat inmates and beat visitors and falsified and attempted to obstruct the fbi's probe. >> the deputies altered records to make it appear the informant had been released but they only rebooked him into custody under a different name and moved him to an isolated corner of the detention system. >> as the "l.a. times" puts it, this marks the largest mass arrest of sheriff's officials in more than two decades and represents another blow to a department that recently has been accused of racially biased profiling and hiring officers with tainted backgrounds and cronyism. jack leonard joins me live now. first of all, how far back do these allegations go? >> this scandal has been going on for two and a half years. it all started with a cell phone smuggled into the jail to an informant who was wor
rights and corruption violations. their arrests stem from a two-year federal probe into alleged corruption within the largest jail system. four grand jury indictments and criminal complaint allege that the deputies among other things beat inmates and beat visitors and falsified and attempted to obstruct the fbi's probe. >> the deputies altered records to make it appear the informant had been released but they only rebooked him into custody under a different name and moved him to an...
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. >>> up next, the political civil war. hoping new fights on the right may cost the republicans a couple of winnable senate seats. remember how that happened last night? you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ >>> welcome back to "hardball." there's a new front in the republican civil war out there. incumbent republican senators, many of them who would have a good chance of winning in a general election are being challenged by the far right of their own party. the latest challenge is against thad cochran. his challenger has a running start and support from the club for growth which sponsored this ad which you'll notice includes the tea party symbol. the don't tread on me flag. >> washington's a mess. bailouts, record debts, government-run health care. career politicians bankrupting our country. had enough? chris mcdaniel has backbone. in the legislature he stood up to the big spenders in both parties. in court he represented mississippi against obama care. chris mcdaniel, the new, strong conservative leader
. >>> up next, the political civil war. hoping new fights on the right may cost the republicans a couple of winnable senate seats. remember how that happened last night? you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ >>> welcome back to "hardball." there's a new front in the republican civil war out there. incumbent republican senators, many of them who would have a good chance of winning in a general election are being challenged by the far right...
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mitch mcconnell who said he was in college during civil rights movement and then he was on the side of civil rights and then it got all complicated with affirmative action and bussing and sanctions he said made it all clear again. he stood up again against the president. i was covering the white house then and occasionally they would bring in small groups of reporters to chat with the president on the theor theory w each other. it was during this period the president said more black people drive and own cars in south africa than there are cars in the soviet union and to him that sort of rationalized, this was, you know, communism is the evil system. and you had po to do everything to stand up to communism. i remember clearly he reached for two cookies and said he had half a sandwich for lunch. pat buchanon was a speech writer in the white house then. i recalled this memory to him. he said he wrote that lean. he got it from commentary magazine. he said reagan loved it but the secretary of state george schultz was furious at him for putting it in. it made if president look like simpleton
mitch mcconnell who said he was in college during civil rights movement and then he was on the side of civil rights and then it got all complicated with affirmative action and bussing and sanctions he said made it all clear again. he stood up again against the president. i was covering the white house then and occasionally they would bring in small groups of reporters to chat with the president on the theor theory w each other. it was during this period the president said more black people...
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the country was potentially on the brink of civil war. >> reporter: the violence peaks on easter sunday 1993 when a high-ranking anc member is shot outside his home by a white right-wing polish immigrant. >> there was uproar in the country. riots. >> reporter: the country finds itself in a moment of crisis. de klerk and the government are unable to keep the peace. there was only one man who could pull the nation back from the abyss. mandela addresses the country on national television. >> tonight why i'm reaching out to every single south african, black and white, now is the time for all south africans to stand together. >> only he could control the country in a crisis. and effectively, he was president from then on. de klerk was eclipsed. >> reporter: negotiations proceed, building towards a momentous event. >> the first time they were called for dignity was on the 7th of april, 1994. >> reporter: for the first time in its almost 400-year history, south africans from all races will be allowed to vote. >> april 27th arrived with a huge question mark, whether the elections will be held i
the country was potentially on the brink of civil war. >> reporter: the violence peaks on easter sunday 1993 when a high-ranking anc member is shot outside his home by a white right-wing polish immigrant. >> there was uproar in the country. riots. >> reporter: the country finds itself in a moment of crisis. de klerk and the government are unable to keep the peace. there was only one man who could pull the nation back from the abyss. mandela addresses the country on national...
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mark, i mean, there was a time even in the construct of the civil rights movement, it held these views in the sense of saying economic growth, e equality of opportunity, in fact, i can't think of someone on the left making an argument for equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity, right, where somebody's not saying what we ought to do is grow the economy. >> it's far different to mouth the gospel of economic opportunity, the gospel of economic growth, and not to advance policies that ensure that that opportunity is meaningful and real or that that growth is shared by all. this is what we're talking act. so you've got economic growth taking place in the united states in the post recession era, 2 1/2 to 3%. a stock market improving. all of the financial indices improving. yet you've got job creation that is focused and centered on the lowest wage workers. and you've got an aberration and that is that productivity and wages are no longer aligned, okay, and that's a departure from a fundamental economic principle. >> we harder and produce more but don't earn any more. >> numbe
mark, i mean, there was a time even in the construct of the civil rights movement, it held these views in the sense of saying economic growth, e equality of opportunity, in fact, i can't think of someone on the left making an argument for equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity, right, where somebody's not saying what we ought to do is grow the economy. >> it's far different to mouth the gospel of economic opportunity, the gospel of economic growth, and not to advance...
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>> well, i think you're right that there is certainly a civil war going on in the republican party right now. it seems odd in this case, in particular, because what we have is a very conservative senator in john cornyn being challenged by a hysterically conservative congressman in mr. stockman. i i think that it's a lot more than just the 11th commandment or the affordable care act with ted cruz. i think steve stockman is trying to possibly get a promotion and has a wider venue to share his very strange ideas. >> today in "first read" we have them noting that seven of the 12 gop senate incumbents up for re-election receiving serious or semi serious tea party challenges. even if many of these tea partiers won the primaries, would they have a real chance in the general election? >> well, thomas, in the last few years we've seen republican primaries handing big victories to democrats in otherwise unwinnable states like todd aiken or christine o'donnell. unfortunately for democrats, this texas race is a missed opportunity because the filing deadline was last night. even if steve stockman win
>> well, i think you're right that there is certainly a civil war going on in the republican party right now. it seems odd in this case, in particular, because what we have is a very conservative senator in john cornyn being challenged by a hysterically conservative congressman in mr. stockman. i i think that it's a lot more than just the 11th commandment or the affordable care act with ted cruz. i think steve stockman is trying to possibly get a promotion and has a wider venue to share...
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my guests, tom brokaw, civil rights leader reverend jesse jackson. and harry smith talks to p
my guests, tom brokaw, civil rights leader reverend jesse jackson. and harry smith talks to p
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meeting with world leaders and his civil rights hero. as promised he stepped down as president of south africa after serving just one term. >> be south africa has been a despottic state throughout almost the whole of the 20th century. mandela is one of the best and optimistic qualities that he has to the people of south africa. >> reporter: by all accounts the measure of this man can be taken by what he wants to be remembered for. here lies nelson mandela said, a man who has done his duty on earth. >> here with us now, a giant of civil rights. you got a chance to interview president mandela in february of 1990 after he came out of prison after 27 years. how did you finds him? how had he changed? >> i didn't know him before he went to prison so i'm not sure how he had changed. but he was warm. but a little bit distant. as you can remember when he went to distant there weren't any journalists up in his face, there wasn't any television that he had appeared on a lot of times, you know, to get used to it. he was just a little bit reserved. s
meeting with world leaders and his civil rights hero. as promised he stepped down as president of south africa after serving just one term. >> be south africa has been a despottic state throughout almost the whole of the 20th century. mandela is one of the best and optimistic qualities that he has to the people of south africa. >> reporter: by all accounts the measure of this man can be taken by what he wants to be remembered for. here lies nelson mandela said, a man who has done...
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so without that 1965 voting rights act, which is a direct product of the civil rights movement, mr. obama's presidency does not exist. they're bound together by that same issue and the activism that was required in order to make -- >> that's a good point. >> in addition to the comparisons between the two of them, which is important, i think the other remarkable thing is the thread of liberty that connects them across space and time. the abolitionist improvement inspired thorough who inspired gandhi who inspired mandela. it's remarkable to see this thread of liberty that really comes full circle in the life of mandela and how he relates to barack obama. >> joshua, what if anything do we know about nelson mandela's faith? was he a spiritual man? >> he was a spiritual man. he was a christian. and that was sort of a motivating part of his life. and there's been a fair amount written on that, especially over the last few days. but i think he really saw his faith as a motivating force for his work in the public square, not just as something he keeps inside his own soul but something that
so without that 1965 voting rights act, which is a direct product of the civil rights movement, mr. obama's presidency does not exist. they're bound together by that same issue and the activism that was required in order to make -- >> that's a good point. >> in addition to the comparisons between the two of them, which is important, i think the other remarkable thing is the thread of liberty that connects them across space and time. the abolitionist improvement inspired thorough who...
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party right now. >> powerful republican senators were forced to defend their seats against their own party. >> there's the tea party side, and then there's the, you know, chris christie side. >> it ain't going to be jobs, sweetheart. >> i think christie is a promising figure. >> your rear end is going to get thrown in jail, idiot. >> i don't agree with him on a lot of things. i'm more conservative than he is. >> do you think he'll blow up on the campaign trail? >> are you stupid? >> i don't know him that well. i had lunch with him once. i wasn't a fan of the way he welcomed barack obama to new jersey when the hurricane hit. >> texas tea party candidate stockman has filed to run against john cornyn. >> a lot of people think that's healthy debate. >> he brings ted nugent to the state of the union. >> and you get a better end result when you do have people debating. >> fights taking place within the party and that's the way it should be. >> i don't always agree with bill o'reilly. >> the republican party is all over the place. >> but this time on obama care, immigration, i absolutely ag
party right now. >> powerful republican senators were forced to defend their seats against their own party. >> there's the tea party side, and then there's the, you know, chris christie side. >> it ain't going to be jobs, sweetheart. >> i think christie is a promising figure. >> your rear end is going to get thrown in jail, idiot. >> i don't agree with him on a lot of things. i'm more conservative than he is. >> do you think he'll blow up on the...
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"new york daily news," a coalition of high-end retailers and civil rights leaders agreed on a bill of rights to protect customers from so-called shop and frisk practices. the agreement comes six weeks after a series of racial profiling allegations from black shopper who is say they were targeted for buying expensive luxury items. executives from barney's, macy's, saks, bergdorf goodman and lord & taylor signed onto the deal. reverend al, you were part of it. you were on the front page today. >> i think it's the beginning to get the major retailers to acknowledge there's a problem. we have a long way to go and they still have to deal with these cases. but the acknowledgment of it i think is a good start and we intend to monitor and keep moving forward. >> i like it. thank you for your work on that. "the new york times," nsa documents leaked by edward snowden reveal american and british spy agencies sent undercover agents into the world of online gaming. they believe terrorists could use fantasy games like world of war craft to secretly communicate and plot attacks. spies would create f
"new york daily news," a coalition of high-end retailers and civil rights leaders agreed on a bill of rights to protect customers from so-called shop and frisk practices. the agreement comes six weeks after a series of racial profiling allegations from black shopper who is say they were targeted for buying expensive luxury items. executives from barney's, macy's, saks, bergdorf goodman and lord & taylor signed onto the deal. reverend al, you were part of it. you were on the front...
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used in ways to undermine your future, your health, your voting rights, your public education, your rights in the court system. it's just wrong. and so, what we're doing is making sure people know. how they choose to spend their money after that will be their own determination, like in civil disobedience, their own free will and accord, but people must know, this must be exposed. art pope has gone from being a king-maker, a private person to now a north carolina employee. he's the budget director, one of the most powerful positions in any state. and budgets are moral documents. and what he is promoting is constitutionally inconsistent, morally indefensible and economically insane. and people need to know how he's doing it with the money that comes out of poor communities and minority communities. >> reverend william barber, north carolina naacp president, the leader of the moral mondays protest, which brought so much national spotlight to the very dramatic changes that north carolina's seen over these last couple years. thank you for your time tonight, sir. i hope you stay in touch with us
used in ways to undermine your future, your health, your voting rights, your public education, your rights in the court system. it's just wrong. and so, what we're doing is making sure people know. how they choose to spend their money after that will be their own determination, like in civil disobedience, their own free will and accord, but people must know, this must be exposed. art pope has gone from being a king-maker, a private person to now a north carolina employee. he's the budget...